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idicious · Mar 11, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18

I prefer prot myself, with a bit of healing in. Usually go [skill]zealous benediction[/skill] and [skill]gift of health[/skill] with rest prot skills.

MagmaRed · Mar 11, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Heal Other is energy intensive. I don't use it because of that, and heroes love to spam - they even use Protective Spirit to heal minions. I'll suggest a few skills, but none of the ones you asked about.

[skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Healing Whisper[/skill][skill]Ethereal Light[/skill][skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Words of Comfort[/skill]

Healing Touch is a great self heal, if you know who to use it on. Heroes/hench tend to use it on melee characters standing in the middle if a mob. This means they are now in the middle of a mob, and will get attacked. Not a smart move for a Monk to make.

Olim Chill · Mar 11, 2008, 01:36 PM // 13:36

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Originally Posted by Yichi

negating damage > healing damage

QFT. Make your Hero a Protection Monk and use a regular henchie Monk for healing.

fenix · Mar 11, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

A good monk hero bar should have Prot Spirit and Guardian, then I spose some heals, I like to bring WoH, Dwayna's Kiss and Sig Rejuv, then I just put in Cure Hex and Dismiss Condition, then Glyph Lesser so energy is ok. That'll win basically everything.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10

People has been talking about Dwayna's Kiss a lot. The thing is, I don't seem how it's good. If you don't have a hex or enchantment on you, it doesn't heal very much.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Heal Other is energy intensive. I don't use it because of that, and heroes love to spam - they even use Protective Spirit to heal minions. I'll suggest a few skills, but none of the ones you asked about.

[skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Healing Whisper[/skill][skill]Ethereal Light[/skill][skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Words of Comfort[/skill]

Healing Touch is a great self heal, if you know who to use it on. Heroes/hench tend to use it on melee characters standing in the middle if a mob. This means they are now in the middle of a mob, and will get attacked. Not a smart move for a Monk to make.

Orison of Healing?!

Numa Pompilius · Mar 11, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Here's the standard skillbar I use for Tahlkora:

Try it. She uses it well, and it can easily be modified to the specific threats of the area.

All minor runes, 13 healing, 11 prot, 11 divine.

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Here's the standard skillbar I use for Tahlkora:

Try it. She uses it well, and it can easily be modified to the specific threats of the area.

All minor runes, 13 healing, 11 prot, 11 divine.

Sorry guys, did I tell you that I only have Prophecies and EotN?

Sirkl · Mar 11, 2008, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Yichi

negating damage > healing damage

Amen to that

Numa Pompilius · Mar 11, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Aha... Then replace Dismiss Condition with Mend Ailment, and Shield of Absorbtion with Shielding Hands. Signet of Rejuvenation can be replaced with the skill of your choice, just stick with 5 energy spells or signets which take 1 second or less to cast - the real meat of the build is Word of Healing.

Word of Healing is extremely good, and it's fairly easy to capture (e.g. in the missions in the Crystal Desert).

snaek · Mar 11, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

if u only have proph+eotn, then...

woh, dwaynas kiss, patient spirit, cure hex -- as ur main

orison, vigirous spirit -- for a pure healing bar
-or-
prot spirit, guardian -- for a mix of prot

-then-
then gole, inspired hex, etc -- for e-management

no res...but if u do put on a res cause theres no other thing u want
then disable it by shift+clicking it

but u need woh man...
even without teh 2nd trigger...
it heals better than all other healing spells
heroes and henchie have teh same ai
plus...if ur playin eotn..eotn henchies atcually have decent bars now
proph, not so much..but eotn, they're semi-decent

and dwaynas kiss is good...
ur eles will have at least their attunement on, if not 2 enchantments
ur frontline will have prot on them most of the time before they run in
plus every party member will have aegis on em
etc etc

teh only team build where dwaynas wouldnt be good
when u have paras or rits on ur team for backline/midline
but u dun have factions or nf...so that will be quite unlikely

Flem · Mar 11, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Jam Jar

I know this is straying a bit off topic, but I've seen an interesting GvG monk, who stands at radar range from his party on top of a hill, and uses heal party and an occasional glyph.

Yea, I've seen that used before in spec mode too, seemed to work well.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 11, 2008, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

People has been talking about Dwayna's Kiss a lot. The thing is, I don't seem how it's good. If you don't have a hex or enchantment on you, it doesn't heal very much.

The only time they will need it they will be hexed or under prot spirt/random other enchantment anyway.

Healing breeze sucks and you will find the explanations why in the monk forum.
Without a monk elite like WoH your hero will not be better than hench, expecially not with the skills you listed.

Head over to the monk or hero builds forum and have alot at a few hybrid bars. You will be basically looking for:

spot heal/small prot, large heal, block skill, condition removal, hex removal, big prot, other stuff.

Prophecies and eye of the north actually have some of the better monk skills such as:

[skill]reversal of fortune[/skill] Great small prot, heroes use it badly in non direct dmg areas though.
[skill]dwayna's kiss[/skill] Great heal for any situation, more efficient that healingbreeze etc
[skill]word of healing[/skill] Amazing heal scince the buff, number oen choice now for most areas
[skill]restore condition[/skill] Great elite on a monk in areas with alot of conditions, mandragor in eotn are a good example also shards of orr.
[skill]protective spirit[/skill] with only proph/eotn this skill should never leave your monks bar. other campaigns can replace with spirit bond, or one on each monk
[skill]holy veil[/skill] one of the better hex removals and heroes actually know how to use it.
[skill]guardian[/skill] Will prevent more damage than most heals can heal for in the longrun
[skill]aegis[/skill] great for areas with alot of martial foes
[skill] cure hex[/skill] the best hex removal for a hybrid bar, removes the hex and can also heal the damage it caused.

Picking a mix from that list followig the basic guidelines will create an efficient monk, if you run into energy troubles add soemthing like glyph of lesser energy (usually only needed if you run both PS and aegis though)

until you get better skills just take hench.

Chthon · Mar 11, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

I have 3 spaces on my monk hero skill bar, but there are 4 healing spells that I really like: heal other, healing touch, heal party, and healing breeze. Could you help me pick 3 out of the 4 as a suggestion please? And no, I don't have WoH, just pick from these 4. Thanks.

Heal party is the only skill there that's not either bad or very bad on a monk primary.

A bunch of redundant straight heals do you no good as a monk. You only need 2-3 straight heals to have one always recharged when you need it, so pick the best 2 and use the rest of your bar for other things.

In general, I would say that there's only two really solid choices for the straight healing component of your bar:

1. [skill]Word of Healing[/skill] + [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] + (maybe [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill])
2. [skill]Ethereal Light[/skill] + [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill] + [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill] + (maybe [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill])

If you want that third straight heal, since you don't have factions, [skill]Signet of Devotion[/skill] is a slightly inferior substitute for [skill]Signet of Rejuvenation[/skill].

Now, use the rest of the space for condition removal, hex removal, party healing, protection, and maybe resurrection. These, plus straight healing, are too many tasks to fit onto a single bar, so you should divide them intelligently between two monks -- you need two copies of the core straight heals, but probably only one signet; two copies of [skill]protective spirit[/skill] or [skill]aegis[/skill] is good, but you probably only need one monk with party healing; two copies of hex and condition removal in most cases; etc.

Div · Mar 11, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Jam Jar

I know this is straying a bit off topic, but I've seen an interesting GvG monk, who stands at radar range from his party on top of a hill, and uses heal party and an occasional glyph.

That only works if the team is facing degen hexes or condis.

Wirt · Mar 11, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24

Tidus, if you are having trouble making the monk hero with elite when you are not yet in an area with an elite, try to so some zaishen 4v4 battles on the pvp isles. Im not sure how big you are into pvp, but if you can get 3k in Balthazar faction you can unlock Word of Healing for all your heros.

But yea Healing Breeze isnt too bad if you are the monk in early prophecies, however heros tend to use it lots and run out of E really fast. If you plan on using it, try to make the fights fast or you may run out of E.

MagmaRed · Mar 11, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Orison is not a bad skill. It may not heal as much as some of the others available, but it has a good casting time and recharge. I pick skills like Ethereal Light over Orison, but Orison can be used on the caster, and Dwayna's Kiss can't. Healing Touch is a great (possibly best) self heal for a Monk. However, it has a longer recharge, and a hero/hench will use it on OTHER. I give Orison to my heroes for their self heal. I also usually use Healer's Boon for thier elite, so it heals for more than plain Orison.

You may want to play as a Monk some. That would teach you how the skills work, which skills work well, and how to manage energy, etc. If you know how to play as a Monk, making a bar for a hero is much easier. If you don't enjoy the role of a Monk, then play some and delete it. It would unlock some skills as well as teach you what makes a Monk effective. Or, play some RA as a Monk. PvE monsters aren't as tough to deal with as RA opponents, but it would still let you learn the skills.

Healing Breeze is a great skill. Not, however, for a Monk doing anything but farming. As noted, a hero will use it instead of a direct heal. The direct heal is usually all that is needed, and cheaper on energy (for most skills).

Sir Tidus · Mar 11, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Isn't WoH better than OoH in everyway though? Also, Guardian and Aegis, which is better? Out of the following 4 protection prayers, which 2 should I pick? Reversal of Fortune, shielding hands, guardian, and aegis. Thanks again people for all the help!

DarkFlame · Mar 11, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

Isn't WoH better than OoH in everyway though? Also, Guardian and Aegis, which is better? Out of the following 4 protection prayers, which 2 should I pick? Reversal of Fortune, shielding hands, guardian, and aegis. Thanks again people for all the help!

Yes, WoH is better then OoH, hence why its an elite.

And if you really have to chose between them, take Guardian over Aegis. It costs less energy and has a shorter recharge. Mind you, one is not better then the other, they are just used differently.

Sergeant of Marines · Mar 11, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

RoF and Aegis

Mar 11, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#31
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	if u only have proph+eotn, then... woh, dwaynas kiss, patient spirit, cure hex -- as ur main orison, vigirous spirit -- for a pure healing bar -or- prot spirit, guardian -- for a mix of prot -then- then gole, inspired hex, etc -- for e-management no res...but if u do put on a res cause theres no other thing u want then disable it by shift+clicking it but u need woh man... even without teh 2nd trigger... it heals better than all other healing spells heroes and henchie have teh same ai plus...if ur playin eotn..eotn henchies atcually have decent bars now proph, not so much..but eotn, they're semi-decent and dwaynas kiss is good... ur eles will have at least their attunement on, if not 2 enchantments ur frontline will have prot on them most of the time before they run in plus every party member will have aegis on em etc etc teh only team build where dwaynas wouldnt be good when u have paras or rits on ur team for backline/midline but u dun have factions or nf...so that will be quite unlikely Last edited by snaek; Mar 11, 2008 at 03:06 PM // 15:06..

Mar 11, 2008, 10:18 AM // 10:18	#21
idicious Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Holland Guild: LoD Profession: P/W	I prefer prot myself, with a bit of healing in. Usually go [skill]zealous benediction[/skill] and [skill]gift of health[/skill] with rest prot skills.

Mar 11, 2008, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#22
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Heal Other is energy intensive. I don't use it because of that, and heroes love to spam - they even use Protective Spirit to heal minions. I'll suggest a few skills, but none of the ones you asked about. [skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Healing Whisper[/skill][skill]Ethereal Light[/skill][skill]Orison of Healing[/skill][skill]Words of Comfort[/skill] Healing Touch is a great self heal, if you know who to use it on. Heroes/hench tend to use it on melee characters standing in the middle if a mob. This means they are now in the middle of a mob, and will get attacked. Not a smart move for a Monk to make.

Mar 11, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43	#24
fenix Major-General Awesome Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Event Organiser and IRC Tiger Guild: Ex Talionis [Law], Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] ????????????????&# Profession: W/	A good monk hero bar should have Prot Spirit and Guardian, then I spose some heals, I like to bring WoH, Dwayna's Kiss and Sig Rejuv, then I just put in Cure Hex and Dismiss Condition, then Glyph Lesser so energy is ok. That'll win basically everything.

Mar 11, 2008, 02:10 PM // 14:10	#25
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	People has been talking about Dwayna's Kiss a lot. The thing is, I don't seem how it's good. If you don't have a hex or enchantment on you, it doesn't heal very much.

Mar 11, 2008, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#27
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Here's the standard skillbar I use for Tahlkora: Try it. She uses it well, and it can easily be modified to the specific threats of the area. All minor runes, 13 healing, 11 prot, 11 divine.

Mar 11, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00	#30
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Aha... Then replace Dismiss Condition with Mend Ailment, and Shield of Absorbtion with Shielding Hands. Signet of Rejuvenation can be replaced with the skill of your choice, just stick with 5 energy spells or signets which take 1 second or less to cast - the real meat of the build is Word of Healing. Word of Healing is extremely good, and it's fairly easy to capture (e.g. in the missions in the Crystal Desert).

Mar 11, 2008, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#36
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Tidus, if you are having trouble making the monk hero with elite when you are not yet in an area with an elite, try to so some zaishen 4v4 battles on the pvp isles. Im not sure how big you are into pvp, but if you can get 3k in Balthazar faction you can unlock Word of Healing for all your heros. But yea Healing Breeze isnt too bad if you are the monk in early prophecies, however heros tend to use it lots and run out of E really fast. If you plan on using it, try to make the fights fast or you may run out of E.

Mar 11, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52	#37
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Orison is not a bad skill. It may not heal as much as some of the others available, but it has a good casting time and recharge. I pick skills like Ethereal Light over Orison, but Orison can be used on the caster, and Dwayna's Kiss can't. Healing Touch is a great (possibly best) self heal for a Monk. However, it has a longer recharge, and a hero/hench will use it on OTHER. I give Orison to my heroes for their self heal. I also usually use Healer's Boon for thier elite, so it heals for more than plain Orison. You may want to play as a Monk some. That would teach you how the skills work, which skills work well, and how to manage energy, etc. If you know how to play as a Monk, making a bar for a hero is much easier. If you don't enjoy the role of a Monk, then play some and delete it. It would unlock some skills as well as teach you what makes a Monk effective. Or, play some RA as a Monk. PvE monsters aren't as tough to deal with as RA opponents, but it would still let you learn the skills. Healing Breeze is a great skill. Not, however, for a Monk doing anything but farming. As noted, a hero will use it instead of a direct heal. The direct heal is usually all that is needed, and cheaper on energy (for most skills).

Mar 11, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55	#38
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Isn't WoH better than OoH in everyway though? Also, Guardian and Aegis, which is better? Out of the following 4 protection prayers, which 2 should I pick? Reversal of Fortune, shielding hands, guardian, and aegis. Thanks again people for all the help!

Mar 11, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35	#40
Sergeant of Marines Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Japan Guild: [트두므s], Guild Leader Profession: Mo/	RoF and Aegis